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We should be able to question mainstream agendas, especially when our health is concerned. We should be able to use words without being censored and buried by the algorithm.
I wasn’t expecting this, but I’m happy to fight for freedom. I’m happy to rally against the unelected clowns that control so much of what our families see and hear. And when the dust clears, these politicians, billionaires, and companies that violated our trust will be forced to face the music.
We’re not going away.
And returning to the show today is a fellow podcaster, who has been at it for more than 15 years, our friend, Mr. Jimmy Moore.
Jimmy is an international bestselling author, speaker, and podcaster extraordinaire. And on today’s show, we’re talking about…
- Why we all need to band together during these trying times
- The importance of dealing with childhood trauma
- What Jimmy is eating to survive during financially challenging times
- The importance of taking a break
- What Jimmy learned after recording more than 3,000 podcasts
- Why we have to suddenly fight for our freedom
- And tons more
Jimmy Moore: Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb
Abel: Welcome back, folks. Returning to the show today is the one and only Jimmy Moore, international best-selling author, speaker, podcaster extraordinaire, and live-streamer extraordinaire.
One of the hardest working guys I know, Jimmy.
Jimmy catapulted onto the health scene in 2004 after a phenomenal 180 lbs weight loss and is host of the Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show and many others.
He’s now recorded well over 1600 episodes on the Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show alone, which blows my mind in so many ways.
Jimmy, thank you so much for coming back on.
Dude, you remember like episode 625, that’s how long you and I have known each other.
That was a millennia ago it feels like.
Abel: You were episode 3 of the Fat-Burning Man show. I mean, seriously, you were.
Yeah, it’s so funny, when I first got in the podcasting realm, that was 2006 when I started Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show.
Robb Wolf‘s podcast wasn’t even around yet.
I think Sean Croxton came two years later with Underground Wellness—but Fred Flintstone was literally my first listener.
The iPhone wasn’t even invented yet when my show started. That’s how old I am in this space.
Abel: It was the iPod. I remember.
Abel: And iPods are much better than iPhones, I’ll say.
They really are.
Abel: But anyway, I think we’re dating ourselves already, Jimmy.
Abel: So much has happened. But even before all of that did, I wanted to get in touch, because you took a bunch of time off and really did some significant work on yourself.
I was watching one of your latest Jimmy Rants, a few of them about that and some of the work that you did.
So, let’s just start right there, because I know a lot of people are dealing with stuff that they never have before.
It’s a good time to do some work on yourself.
Yeah. So I decided, Abel… and it was a lot of your fault.
I was telling you, when we were starting to communicate, yeah, a lot of things are your fault.
My set here for Jimmy Rants is your fault too, by the way.
Abel: That’s awesome.
But a lot of people were saying, “Dude, you’ve got to back away from working so much.”
Yeah, I do work hard. And we can talk about why here in a minute, because I have some theories as to why I did that.
But for me, they were like, “Dude, step away,” like, “You need this time away.”
And so, September 2019, last year, was right at 15 years in a row I’ve been doing this work without a break.
And I decided September 1st was going to be the day that I step away.
And when I mean step away, I mean no, nothing.
Because I do podcasts, I do live streaming, I do heavy social media engagement, I do all the stuff—write books, everything that I was doing, and I was feeling it, if I’m being honest.
And feeling the hate, because I get a lot of online haters, which you’ve seen over the years, as well.
Abel: Oh yeah.
I just needed it.
And I wasn’t going to do it a month and come back. That’s not enough.
You know from being away and doing these kind of breaks, you need an extended period.
So I was like, “What’s long enough to feel it, but not so long that you go, ‘Are they going to ever remember me if I come back?’”
I kind of debated between 3 months and 6 months, and I finally said, “Six months is what I’m going to do.”
So yeah, I was gone completely from September 1 to February 29th, and came back March the 1st, and then COVID-19 happened a week and a half later.
So, not very good timing as far as a business move, but I’m really glad I did it.
I learned so much, dude.
Abel: Yeah, I bet. And having done that a couple of times now, the 6+ month thing, I do agree.
It’s like, after a month, you kind of know why you’re there, and you’re bored, and you’re not at ease at all, and you know you’ve got to go way deeper. And then some more time goes by, and it gets ugly, and then it gets great.
And it’s up and down, but it’s something where you realize that we’re here for a bigger reason than to just work hard or to just be bigger, or to just do that next project, or whatever.
Even if you are in service of other people—or you think you are—if you’re in that state of constantly working and not taking that step back, then you forget why you’re doing it.
And that’s happened to me a few times.
Because then the hate can overwhelm you and you go into the self-hating cycle and we can talk about that too, because it’s rough.
The Importance of Taking A Break
And I’ve always tried to keep a pretty happy and positive attitude. That’s just the nature of who I am.
Again, you inspired that a lot. You inspire me a lot, you don’t even realize.
I’ve been meaning to tell you that over the years.
Abel: Thank you, Jimmy.
But when I went away, I had full intentions of like, “I’m going to go to the gym every day, and I’m going to do this in my time.”
“I’ll go carnivore for a while, and then I’m going to intermittent fast. I’m going to be a rockstar.”
And then, two weeks later, all hell breaks loose when I start this sabbatical.
And of course all along it’s what I needed to deal with. That’s the dirty little secret.
We can all have a plan, go away 6 months, it’s all nice, and come back and you’ll be a… but that’s not what happened.
What happened was I had sh!t from my past that decided to rear its ugly head, and had I not stopped, Abel, I still wouldn’t have dealt with it.
So, childhood trauma came back really strong. It hit me square between the eyeballs.
It started with my stepfather—who was an integral part of my childhood trauma—dying.
And when I go to talk to my mom and I’m learning things about what happened and narratives that I’ve always believed.
I’m 48 years old and I always had narratives about how I thought things went down as a teenager that weren’t at all true.
Abel: Right, isn’t that crazy?
And then my mom finds out things that happened. What?
It’s just like, these stories that you have, you go back and you check with the original source from childhood, or from family years later, and they’re like, “That never even happened,” or, “It happened like this,” which is completely different. And you’re like, “What?”
Yeah. So, for me, I literally always thought my stepdad, the one who died, I thought he was the one that had me shipped away to live with my dad.
Basically telling my mom, “Choose him or choose me, but it won’t be both of us.”
And so I thought all these years later that she had me shipped away because he wanted me shipped away.
But she said, “Oh, no, I had you shipped away.”
And I go, “What?”
And it ended up, she told me the story about me coming at her when I was 13 years old with a baseball bat.
I’m going, “What in the world?”
I had no recollection of that.
And I believe her, but wow—two weeks into the sabbatical this happens.
It was just such a major shocker to me, it took me a while to process that.
But then she had no idea that my dad was abusive to me—emotionally, physically, and one time he sexually abused me. She had no idea.
And I’m 48 years old, she’s just finding this out.
So we’re sitting there both bawling our eyes out, trying to figure out where we go from here.
And I’ll tell you what’s happened ever since, Abel—I’m closer to my mom than I’ve ever been in my life.
We go on the phone and I’ve literally had cursory types of discussions with her, the husband that just died, he was an extremely abusive guy—emotionally. Never touched her, but he was emotionally abusive.
She had a type. My dad was emotionally abusive, so he would never let her talk to me.
Well, now that he’s gone, it’s just her. We go deep, man.
I told her some stuff I’ve never shared, and vice versa, she’s told me things.
I have the kind of relationship with my mom I wish I had all along.
And it’s like, I hope this story tells you that maybe there are people in your life you misjudge, that maybe you need to reconnect with.
It doesn’t have to be a direct family member—maybe it’s a close friend that you have a grudge about.
Go settle it sooner than later, because the healing that comes out of that.
And you don’t realize how much you need them. She’s now, literally, the most important person in my life.
I would never, ever… she’s going to die eventually, but I would never want to lose her any time soon.
Abel: Yeah. That brings up a lot of emotions for me, because my mom is one of my very best friends, and my dad is, too.
And, trust me, it was not always like that.
It was not always like that, but it has been now for years, I’m very thankful to say.
But it took a lot of time and work, and effort on everyone’s part to get past all of the stuff that may have happened or may not have happened in the past.
Because, yeah, when I heard your livestream, you talking about that story with your mom, I’m just like, “Wow, how often does that happen in people’s lives?”
Because all these memories are built on these stories that are different in everyone’s head.
And we’re building our whole lives, and identities, and meaning, and spiritual purpose on these things that may or may not even be true.
So, it’s very powerful to go back to the source and connect with them, especially right now.
And for me, Abel, I think what’s been really cool is to take this 10,000 foot view of what’s happened in my life.
Because it’s very easy to go back and say, “I wish my dad had never berated me and emotionally abused me, telling me I’d never amount to anything, that I was useless, that no girl would ever want me.” All these negative ugly things he said to me.
“It would be great to have him not smash my head into walls, punch me in the face and make me go to church and tell them that I fell. It would be awesome if he didn’t touch me in an inappropriate way in a shower.”
All those things actually happened.
But I know that those experiences and the healing journey that happened after it, which was ugly in my 20s.
And then leading to my weight loss experience, and then all the success I’ve had, I know all of that happened because of what happened.
And that I’m the man I am today…. the compassionate heart I try to have for other people, because of the trauma.
That sounds so messed up in so many ways, but you stop and think about it.
How would I be different if I had great parents growing up, would I be a different person?
I think I’d be a version of the same person, but I wouldn’t quite have the heart, I don’t think, that I have.
I wouldn’t have the empathy, the compassion, the love for other people that I have.
The hard working, which you were telling me how I’m a hard worker. I think I became a hard worker because I had to prove my dad wrong.
Of course, that was the original intent. Now I work hard because I love people, and I’m trying to get the message out, and I’m passionate about it.
But it’s just fascinating when you take a retrospective look at everything.
And you realize, you are who you are because of those bad things along with the good things.
Abel: Often so.
But I was thinking, as well, and I had someone telling me this, because they know I’ve been run over by a truck a few times in my life.
That you don’t want someone who’s a total cupcake snowflake during times like these to be telling you what to do.
Being a celebrity just doing laps in their pool at their estate saying, “It’s okay guys. Everything’s great. Look at my margarita.”
Oh, did you hear Justin Timberlake?
Abel: No. Is that what he did?
He complained about how it’s really hard being a dad 24/7.
And all these single moms were like, “F-you. You should try doing it by yourself,” as he’s with Jessica Biel in his mansion.
The Evolution of Alternative Health
Abel: Right. But no, Jimmy, it’s like, you want people who have been through some stuff right now.
If this is a time of war, which some people are throwing that around, you want the generals and the leaders who have been to battle before and have lost, hopefully.
The ones who have lost, because they know what they’re fighting for.
And that’s how I’m starting to feel about this world of health, especially as the world gets darker and darker.
For a while there—I know you started quite a bit before me—but in the early 2010s, it felt like we were winning for a little bit. And the world was rallying and getting the message.
And then 2016, 2017—just straight down. What do you think happened?
Are you talking about in the paleo world, where it fell off the map?
Abel: Well, not even necessarily pale/ancestral health, but then there’s keto, and there’s also carnivore, and vegan has always been there—but the movement itself has kind of seen a lot of people flame out.
A lot of people in there for the wrong reasons, or right reasons.
I just would love to get your take on some of the stuff that’s gone down and where we’re going next.
I tell you, when I was in the paleo community, I always felt like the ugly duckling.
Because I was the token low carb guy. Now, others gave lip service.
I know Robb Wolf will talk about doing a low carb paleo diet, and some of the studies. You were never anti-low carb. There’s some.
But then the whole safe starches thing, and it just got crazy.
It seemed to me that there was always, “Let’s promote our own personal agenda,” versus, “Let’s promote what the major things are that can help the most people.”
Because we always talked about, especially in that community, drawing this wide net and bringing them in.
And yet, it seemed like there were certain voices silenced, and there were certain voices promoted based on agenda.
And what was funny was, I watched all of that happen—the rise, the fall of paleo.
People still do paleo, but it came and went, and then keto started hitting.
Three or four years after Keto Clarity came out, and then the same thing is happening.
I’m going, “People, learn the lessons of paleo.”
Now, I think there was a little more rallying behind each other at first.
But now here in 2020, we’re right back where paleo was, circa 2015, ’16, when things were like, “Oh, no, I’m getting mine. You get out of my way.”
It’s disgusting to me.
If we’re really trying to make a difference in the world, why don’t we focus on getting people off crap.
Getting them to eat real food, getting them to eat nutrient-dense foods, getting them to realize it’s not about weight loss, but health.
All these things that if we could just get paleo, and Whole30, and primal, and carnivore, and keto, everybody together, we could be a powerful force. But you got so many entities that are identity-diet people.
And I’m not married to keto, even though I’m the keto guy.
I’m into, “Let’s get the most people to get off the crap.”
Look at where people have turned to with COVID-19: Junk food junkies again.
And it’s like, we’re right back where we started.
And yet, look at the vegans. They are a much smaller group of people, and yet they are very powerful because they coalesce behind the same message.
We are a lot bigger than they are, and yet they have a louder voice than we do.
Abel: Yeah. Well, they’re also very well-funded these days, especially in the Industrial field.
Oh, very well. Yeah, we need a Bill Gates to give us… we need a Game Changers type of movie, money like they have, yes.
Abel: Yeah. And connections.
Abel: That’s a whole other conversation. But I think so much of this is—not that I distance myself from the paleo movement, because I never tried to do that, but the word “paleo” for me, I could see it going bad even pretty early.
And I’m like, “What do we do about this?”
And now we have more words.
Well, the problem is, all the words that replaced it were worse. Like, ancestral.
What does that mean? Or, original diet. What does that mean?
Perfect human diet. What does that mean?
But we saw the same thing with keto and the evolution. It started on low-carb, Atkins, South Beach.
Then it morphed into low-carb, high-fat. And then it went keto, and now keto has turned into keto carnivore.
Why do we have to keep making terms for the same thing?
It seems to me, we need to stop identifying with movements and more with concepts and principles.
Because the same concepts and principles that you and I connected with a decade ago, I still believe those same concepts and principles.
You just have to play the game of the media, I suppose. You got on TV wearing a bacon suit.
I was remembering that this morning, thinking about our interview today. “Oh, yeah, he went on TV and ran in a bacon suit.”
Abel: One of my best/worst moments.
Hey, you made Kurt laugh, so that was fun.
Abel: That’s the point, yeah. It was great. And I think we need a bit of levity, because it’s too late to be serious anymore.
It really is. It’s too ridiculous out there.
I’ve never been serious.
Empathy Over Abs
Abel: It’s too absurd. No, you’ve been willing to… I really gained a lot of respect for you, and I hope it’s okay that I share this.
During one of your livestreams you read some terrible thing—I don’t remember what it was that some hater said to you—And he was like trying to get you to take off your shirt or something.
And you’re like, “You know what?”
And you just go like this and lifted your shirt all the way up, and you’re just like, “This is how it is.”
You responded to him, just like totally took it on, took your shirt off on a livestream, which is something that I wouldn’t do.
You know what I mean.
Well, you’ve got something to look at under your shirt.
Abel: Well, sometimes I do. But sometimes it’s blurrier than others, you know what I mean?
Abel: And we should all have the ability to be human and not be judged forever, even if it is flabby. Now is not the time for a six-pack.
I have some people who are coming to me with coaching questions.
They’re like, “I know what to do. It’s worked for me. I’ve lost a lot of weight, gained my health back. But with what we’re up against now, I’ve been drinking wine and eating cookies every night, and I don’t know what to do about that.”
And so I think it’s important that we all have a lot of empathy for each other, and understanding for each other.
It’s not the time for extreme dieting, or any of this vanity-based stuff.
One of the biggest things that turned me off from keto and paleo is I literally got hundreds, hundreds of books.
I don’t know how they got my address, because it changes every three or six months.
But these different publishers just sent one after another.
“Oh, it’s a brunette keto cookbook author.”
“Oh, it’s a pretty blonde this time.”
“Oh, we’ve got a redhead.”
And it’s just like over and over until it all becomes nothing.
Don’t get me started, dude. Don’t get me started.
I think the publishing world and some of the food company world, I mean paleo experienced this.
And it’s so funny because I’m very happy that I went through the whole paleo—watching the evolution of it from the beginning to the end.
Because when keto started, and got white-hot, I’m going, “Guys, I’m seeing similar trends that happened there, you don’t want to befall.”
And I’ve been screaming, saying, “I’m like the only person that can really explain what’s happening here.”
Abel: That’s totally true.
Because a lot of you guys weren’t even around.
Abel: Yeah. You’ve been here for waves and waves of this stuff, and alive before a lot of people experienced Atkins.
I was just the right age to kind of catch the end of Atkins, where my driver’s ed instructor would have me literally drive him to McDonalds to get burgers without the buns.
And I was, “What is happening here?” And he lost 70 – 80 pounds on that.
So, anyway, you see these things come and go, but also it’s like, with the rise of keto, I’m like, “Why isn’t anyone calling this Atkins? Or Banting.”
It is so silly.
And also, Jimmy, you’ve been, as you know, Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb for 15 plus years.
It’s like, people have been talking about this stuff and studying this for a very long time.
But the more words that are layered onto this and then advertised against us and then follow us around on our phones and all of that, it becomes more confusing, more divisive, and more fractured.
So I don’t have any answers here, I’m just saying, we are in the midst of the chaos right now, I guess.
Well, and what I tell people often, Abel, is, put on your BS-meter strong.
If the person is saying, “The only way you can do keto is to spend $39.99 a month on my coaching program and blah, blah, blah.”
I’m like, “Run far away from those people.”
I’ll tell you, my business model is horrible for making money.
About the only thing you can buy from me is my books, which thank you to everybody that’s bought Keto Clarity, and all the rest.
And then I have a few advertisers on my podcast. But most everything I do is free.
Now, I could monetize a whole lot more than I do.
There was a very prominent member of the paleo community who I invited to come speak on my low-carb cruise one year.
I’m not going to say this person’s name, but you would recognize this person very quickly.
And I said, “Will you come speak?”
And he said, “Jimmy, if I can’t make a sh!t load of money off of what I’m doing in this space, then I’m not doing it.”
And this is somebody that’s made a sh!t load of money.
I won’t say who it is. I guess that narrows it down to like four or five people, but you’ll figure it out.
Abel: It is interesting, there are only a small handful who have made that amount of money. It’s like, for the rest of us, it’s more a game of survival.
We’ve tried many terrible business models. We’ve tried many.
And we’re still in the middle of some, but I think we always find a way through.
And for the people who aren’t in it for the money or the power, we’re happy just to stay afloat and keep helping people.
Well, and that’s the point for me, Abel.
It’s like, yes, I’ve done very well selling books and I’m very grateful for it.
But my business model of keeping this going is, I’m not trying to make a lot of money off of people, I’m just trying to provide good resources.
And I think if you do that, and you do that well, then, yeah, you’re going to be successful at a business.
People want to feed into the people that are feeding into you.
I’ll tell you there, in COVID-19, it got pretty lean there, because some of my sponsors were holding their money.
I had one sponsor who owed me thousands of dollars and just said, “I’m going bankrupt. I can’t pay you.”
Abel: Oh no.
Yeah. So I got that kind of stuff going on.
So people on my Jimmy Rants we’re like, “Can we send you money through Patreon or something?”
People want to support you when you give them good advice.
And this is what I would tell people, “If you’re getting in this to make money, just get out.”
We’ve got enough vultures in here.
Come in it for the right reasons, provide good content, be consistent with that content.
Oh yeah, by the way, they’ll scratch your back when the time comes.
Abel: It’s very interesting, the longer I do this, making the connection to the music world. Because the people who are in it for the right reasons are really good, and they’re the best.
They’re playing at your local coffee shop, and the Italian place that’s not in the city a lot of the time, but they’re just, they’re still doing it.
Whereas the ones who sign the deal, they still don’t have free speech to this day. You know what I mean?
And that’s kind of what we saw in the health space.
And I started this to take down Jillian Michaels. Remember?
And nothing against her personally. She represented the talking head, the person who is owned by the corporate sponsors for whatever TV show they’re on, or whatever thing like that, or whatever deal they signed with this big agency and they only get 5% of their lifetime earnings.
And it just gets so gross, and people don’t know, that’s why they’re so tricked.
Because there are all these people, pretending to be the real thing, who are full of it.
Look at Jillian Michaels now, isn’t it funny how the mighty have fallen?
Like when Paleo was ruling the roost, Biggest Loser was still big, and she was relevant.
Then, two years ago, maybe year-and-a-half ago, she came on this huge rampage against keto. “Oh, keto’s killing people,” and dah, dah, dah.
Just to try to sell a book. And the book flopped.
When you’re in it for the right reasons, people see through the BS.
So, sometimes images make people think things are different than they are.
And I always say, “Look for those authentic people,” and they stand out like a sore thumb.
Abel: If you look hard enough.
If you look hard enough, and you don’t get fooled by slick marketing.
Abel: Yeah. It’s trickier than ever.
But I’m thankful that a lot of people who have been following this whole alternative health movement, let’s say, for a long time, who are really getting back into it or want to help.
And for me it’s like, we went cash flow negative before all of this happened because of some other stuff that happened that was terrible, but I just finally put up a Patreon page, and within, literally I haven’t even launched it yet, and I already have a coaching client right there, ready to go.
That’s what’s going to save us all. We’ll find a way to help each other and make it work.
And it’s like, if Google, and Facebook, and Twitter, and all the rest of them are totally censoring our stuff and burying it, which they have been for years…
They have been.
Abel: Making it impossible to find our work, impossible to reach our own subscribers, then we’ll just find another way of not going away, of being annoying to those giant food corporations and powers that be.
Because people need help more than ever.
And, Jimmy, you’ve been helping people with… when I heard 1600 episodes, I almost fainted. I almost fainted Jimmy.
It’s amazing how generous you are with your work.
You should try being the person doing all of the…
Abel: Oh, I can’t.
Abel: Oh my god.
I’ve done other ones. Combined episodes that I’ve done, it’s well over 2500, almost 3000.
Then I’ve been on other people’s podcasts like I am in yours today, probably another 1500 to 2000 of those.
So I love to gab. When you’re a podcaster, you just love to keep talking.
And of course if you count Jimmy Rants, too, that’s a whole lot more.
Because people are like, “How are you so passionate still 15 years later?”
And I’m like, “It still burns white-hot.”
And it means it’s authentic, it means I’m not trying to come in, get mine, and get out.
Now, again, I’ve been very successful, so I’m not complaining, but at the end of the day, it means lives have been changed.
The Meaning of Success & Readjusting to Find Balance
Abel: Yeah. And what does successful really mean?
I think it’s worth asking questions like that during times like these, when 99.9% of people are really hurting, and the 0.1% are printing trillions of dollars for themselves again.
It’s like, we’re all kind of hurting, so why are we really doing this, and what are we learning?
And what is financial success for those coaches and people running gyms, and restaurants, and a lot of places that probably won’t open up again?
It’s a good time to ask like, “What was the goal of that place and how can I meet that goal, or a similar one, moving forward?”
Because there are paths. And you know, you’ve found a way to make it work for 15 years.
And it’s as “successful” as you and I have been, using air quotes, in various ways.
It’s like, that doesn’t mean that you can keep the lights on every month for 10, 15 years, and let alone pay a team of people to help and try to get bigger.
But not too big, so you spread the message.
It’s a tough balance. So how are you handling that and maybe re-adjusting your, whether it’s physical goals, or business goals, or anything else?
For me, it’s always been about, “What can I do to help people where they are?”
So I was on this Sabbatical, September 1st, 2019 to February 29th, 2020
I come back March 1st. Little did I know, a week and a half later, we’d be holed up in our houses for indefinitely.
Abel: Yeah, what a time to come back.
Oh my gosh. I was thinking the other day, would I have gone away if I had known this was coming?
Because it was a huge financial risk to go away 6 months.
I made no money in six months.
And then I come back in March, and I’m thinking, “I’m going to hit the ground and run and I’ll hit the sponsors and I’ll bring them back.”
And then they all dry up.
Until yesterday, I got a sponsor finally. I had only made $1000 the first three months of this year. $1000.
And I have a team to pay, and I have bills on my property here, and other expenses.
That was freaking me out.
And so yesterday I finally got a sponsor and then today I finally got my royalty check from my books.
But that was all up in the air, I didn’t know when that was coming.
But it’s like, yeah, it’s been harrowing.
So, for me, it’s just, survive, give people positivity and a calmness with my work.
I haven’t let on, on my work, that I’m struggling at all.
I’ve literally subsisted on my backyard chicken eggs for a week, that’s literally all I’ve had, is eggs.
Because that’s all I had. I was running out of money.
So you do the things you can do to survive, but then, at the same time, you don’t change who you are.
I think the moment you try to do this “Woe is me”, and act like you’re Justin Timberlake, and tell people 24/7 parenting is hard…
Yeah, “F you” is what people tell that person. Look at our people, it actually happened.
Abel: I’ve always disliked that guy, so I’m glad that happened.
I like his music and he’s a good actor, but, dude, that’s a “you know what” move.
Abel: Yeah. Oh man. Well, and another good example of we need people who have been through some stuff.
And maybe he’s been through some stuff, but that type of celebrity and talking head just hopefully people can see that they provide zero or negative value at this point, is the way that I feel.
Abel: When you say “yes” to one thing you have to say “no” to another.
And if you’re going to follow celebrities, having known and knowing some celebrities up close and personal, you’re much better off listening to real people who have been through some stuff.
And the longer I do this, and the more the years tick by, I just value experience, personally, and just looking at other people.
And it’s like, “Are they still doing it? Respect. Respect.”
Whether it’s in music, or health, or anywhere else, because it’s hard. You need that passion.
Financially Challenging Times & Eating To Survive
Oh, I was just talking to Dan Quibell, The Bacon Experiment, he says to say “hi.”
So, he’d appreciate the egg only diet for a while there. But that raises a good point.
Now is an excellent time to experiment with maybe a bit of more meager eating than you’re used to.
Did you say, “Now is an egg-cellent time?” Is that what you said?
So what’s funny is there is this thing called the egg fast out there, that’s all popular, that people latch onto.
Have you heard about this?
I came up with that, 2008.
Abel: Yeah, yeah, years ago.
Years ago I did it. N=1, where all I ate for 30 days was egg cooked in butter, a little bit of cheese, if you wanted it on there, for flavor.
But that’s all you ate the whole day.
It ended up being about 15, 16 eggs a day. In fact, I ate about 8 eggs this morning with cheese, and spices, and salt of course, cooked in butter.
And so, yeah, I did that because, at that time, it was 2008 going into ’09. I also was in a lean time in my business.
Like, Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb, at that time, was struggling.
Because just like now, we had economic hard times at that point.
This was just before paleo came on the realm, and I almost shut the doors of Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb in 2009.
Because I made no money. What was it? 10 months in a row.
I made no money for 10 months.
So we were cutting off cable, and phones, and we were just lean, lean, lean, lean, lean.
And, finally, we came out the other end of it, and the sponsors came back, and then Paleo came around and gave me new life on my podcast.
People bought iPhones and were listening to my show, and everything was great, and then I got my book deal in 2012.
So, I almost gave it all up three years before all that happened.
And I look back on that often, Abel, and I go, “Man, that is a lesson in and of itself.”
If you’ve got a passion and a desire, don’t give up just because times are rocky.
And right now times are really rocky for a lot of people. Hang in there guys. Just survive.
Abel: If you survive, that’s success now. It’s not necessarily profitability or anything like that.
And now is the time also to… I grew up without much money and went to college just, I couldn’t even afford the food plan at an Ivy League school.
So, I was just learning how to live on ramen and tuna fish and whatever.
And as much as that’s not ideal, there are ways that you can save money.
Learn a lot about your body, hyper-focus in on your own health, mental health, physical health, and what have you.
I heard someone say, “You can come out of prison two ways—in terrible shape or totally ripped.”
And I think, as much as many of us are kind of going for the comfort foods right now, and having an extra glass of wine or two, this will go in different stages.
And it doesn’t seem like we’re all going to be free any time soon.
So, it’s a good time to go in and focus on building your own little internal world that you can control.
And I think, Jimmy, you’ve done a good job of that. You have to when you’re a podcaster, right?
Well, and you learn to stick with what you’re good at. And so, I know how to talk and I go on camera every single day.
I have people that tell me, especially ER nurses, and things like that, they say they come home from their shift, the first thing they turn on is a Jimmy Rants episode.
Because they know they’re going to get encouraged, and a positive voice, and they need that right now.
And I’m just like, “Oh my gosh, sh*t. Now I have to really be good.”
Abel: They love you for who you are.
Yeah. And that realness with people cannot be faked. That sounds weird, the realness can’t be faked, but there’s so much fakery out there.
They’re the ones selling you their program for $39.99 a month.
It’s like, look for the people that are willing to give with no expectation of a return.
And I try to be that.
And so for people that are maybe struggling right now, trying to figure out your purpose in this life, in the midst of this kind of time inside your home, use this time.
Like when I decided to go full-time with Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb in October 2006, I had not started the Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show.
That came one week later.
Now look at it. It’s one of the best respected shows on iTunes all about health, and it’s been out there forever.
Because I was willing to take a shot at something I was not good at.
I didn’t know how to talk. I just got behind the microphone with a Plantronics—that’s what it was in 2006, it was just a little Plantronics headset.
Abel: I remember those.
“Hello. Welcome back to my show. Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show with Jimmy Moore.”
Sounds like a little circus act, but you start somewhere.
I tell people, Abel, that I started podcasting when nobody was listening, so I could get good at it.
So by the time they started listening, “Oh, wow, he’s really good.”
You were good from the start, so you didn’t have a problem.
Abel: No, I was bad on stage in front of real people at first.
You know, my first speaking gig wasn’t ’til 2012. I started podcasting 2006.
Abel: Oh, is that right?
- Listen to this story.
Abel: I didn’t know that.
First time I ever spoke and was asked to speak, was in Australia of all places.
A couple of guys came on my low-carb cruise like, “Hey mate, we want to do this in Australia.”
That’s a horrible Aussie accent, but you know what I’m saying.
Abel: I remember you’ve gone over there.
And so they were like, “Hey, we want to do this over in Australia.”
And I thought they were going to ask me for suggestions to connect, because I connect people behind the scenes all the time.
And they’re like, “No mate, we want you to come talk.”
I’m like, “Me?”
I didn’t even have a book yet, Cholesterol Clarity had not come out yet.
So I was like, “Okay.”
So my very first talk was in November of 2012 in Melbourne, Australia.
350 people in the crowd, and I’m like, “Holy crap, this is a big crowd.”
But I did okay. At the end of it, the organizer was like, “Wow, you’ve been doing this a long time.”
And I was like, “First time.”
Abel: Transferable skills.
Abel: It really is.
Because when you talk on a podcast, you can transfer that pretty well.
Now, it’s interesting because when I do a podcast, like right now, we’re talking and we don’t know if people are laughing when they’re listening, or they’re, “Wow, yeah.”
But on stage you get that instant feedback when you’re talking, and it’s like, “Oh.”
Like, the first time I got that, I got a charge through my body.
I was like, “Oh, yeah, this is my passion.”
Abel: And it’s been really interesting seeing the people who are out there on TV and the late night talk shows, and comedies, and stuff like that, try to adjust to Zoom and Skype interactions.
The timing is off, comedy doesn’t work anymore, you’re talking over each other, the connection’s a little goofy, the lighting and sound is totally off.
Even people who are professional musicians, or you’ve seen on 100 A-list quality blockbuster movies, don’t know how to use a microphone or just a little bit of lighting.
Which is so amazing to see some of them try to come into this world that is now, it feels like this is our stomping ground just a little bit, doesn’t it?
If we weren’t totally buried I mean.
Do you know there’s 900,000 podcasts now?
When I started there were 9,000 podcasts.
Abel: It was like you and Joe Rogan when you started.
Actually, Joe wasn’t even out when I started it.
Abel: Is that right?
Yeah, he came after me.
Abel: Wow, yeah. Well, there have been different phases of the whole podcast world, as well, which is another community that we’re a part of.
I love listening to your voice, too, and I can understand why other people do.
I’ve had similar people come to me and say, “We put your podcast on right before we go to sleep every night.”
And I’m just like, “Is that a good thing?” I think that’s a good thing.
I don’t know if that’s a good thing exactly. It puts you right to sleep, is that what you’re trying to say?
The fun thing is the ones who say, “We just listened to you for nine-and-a-half hours on some trip.”
And I’m like, “I’m so sorry you had to listen to this voice for nine-and-a-half hours.”
Abel: Well, what I’m trying to say is, I’m really glad that you’ve been putting out consistent content in so many different ways for so long.
But also, it is, I’ll say, and I’m just commiserating at this point, it’s challenging these days.
Because it feels like whatever community we try to build, whether that’s in real life or even on Facebook, it’s kind of torn away from us, or just blown up by the powers that be.
And so, one thing that I’m trying to think about, with our community, and family, and team, and people like you, Jimmy, is like, “How do we stick together against the giant forces that are against us right now?”
Can I tell you what’s disturbing as a podcaster?
You’re one of the few that reaches out to me and we kind of communicate behind-the-scenes.
Not many of us talk to each other.
And I wonder if we got more of an alternative health podcasting network of some sort. Maybe you and I could head that up.
Abel: Yeah, I like that.
And invite in people like Sean Minor, and some of these other voices that have been out there.
I’m insulting a lot of people by not mentioning names, but…
Abel: It’s better to not mention names than like trying to start listing them all out.
One of was the first one that came to mind—Vanessa Spina, the Keto Connect guys, all these guys.
But all of them we need to say, “Hey, what’s kind of something we need to coalesce behind that we could really get a message out?
None of that happens. And, you know, the vegan community, for the most part, they are doing that.
So, it’s been one point of frustration that I think we could be more powerful.
Like I was saying earlier, if all of these groups came together and said, “This is what we believe.”
Almost even put out like an edict of, “This is what we all commonly agree with.”
Like, I can think of Sean Baker, and Chris Kresser, and Robb Wolf, and Jimmy Moore, and Abel James, all coming together and saying, “These are our core values of what we believe in corporately as a community.”
I don’t think anybody’s against having animal-based foods as a part of your diet.
Fats are not going to clog your arteries and give you heart disease.
I think we can coalesce around basic principles and then put that out there.
How unified would that look? And then we all kind of put out content, it’d be kind of cool.
You know, WrestleMania, they had this royal rumble where they have all these people in the ring at the same time.
How cool would it be if we did like a Zoom call with 30 or 40 of the top health podcasters in the alternative health space, and we’re all just jibber jabbering.
A problem is we all like to talk. That might be a problem.
Abel: We can all listen too, though.
We can only invite the interview-based podcasters, because they have to listen.
Yeah. There’s a good number of us that are interview-based.
Abel: Yeah, well, I think that’s a great idea. And especially, we recently did that with a bunch of musician friends of mine.
We had 65 of us on the call at the same time.
I think it was three screens worth on this giant screen, I had it all blown out.
And it was very healing, it was very cool.
Did you have your guitar and everything or playing music together?
Abel: We had some guys trying to sing and play ukulele.
That’s one thing that we have not figured out yet.
We can have conversations like this, but like I was saying, the timing is a little off, so you can’t sing together.
And you can’t play together the way that you truly should be able to in real life, you know what I mean?
You could, but it would be really bad.
Abel: It’s bad. It’s so bad.
When I was in high school, we were part of the world’s largest marching band.
And so what they did was they had stadiums all over America that we all played the Star-Spangled Banner at exactly the same time.
I remember I was in Memphis, Tennessee, I played alto saxophone, and there was like…
Abel: I didn’t know you played sax, Jimmy.
Oh yeah, alto sax, dude.
Abel: That’s where I got my start, too. That’s awesome.
My embouchure is all messed up I’m sure now, but back in the day, I was like second chair alto sax, baby.
But I was in the stadium with about 25, 30 different schools worth of.
So we filled up the University of Memphis Liberty Bowl Stadium, and then all over the country they had them.
And we ended up having, I think, half a million people playing the Star-Spangled Banner all at the same time.
They were all on video, it was really cool.
Abel: That’s awesome.
But it was so off. The audio was off, like, it was like all over the board.
Abel: Well, it’s never going to be perfect.
But I think we’re at peak chaos darkness, let’s hope.
And hopefully, we’ll be catalyzing, and starting to rally around something again, because it’s not like the paleo movement died, it’s just the wrong word.
We don’t need to rally around identities and words as much as, like you said, principles.
And for as long as you’ve been doing this, and as long as I’ve been doing this, our messages really haven’t changed that much.
I’ve been amazed by how many things are pretty similar to where we were at 10 years ago.
But I will say, there are lots of cool technologies coming online.
Like infrared light, near-infrared light, a lot of science that’s around many of the low-tech things that we do that’s coming online at the same time.
So, there are a lot of things to be excited about at the same time.
You know what I think throws a monkey wrench in all of these movements?
Is the personal agendas, like we talked about the beginning of this show.
But getting our eyes off the main thing, the safe starches debate and Paleo was a huge getting your eye off the ball.
Abel: It was.
Keto, it’s the whole idea of should you eat real food, is it about staying within your macros, is it about calories, is it about weight loss versus health.
In carnivore now, we’re even starting to see it, even though it’s in its infancy, you’ve got the people that say, “Well, it’s about eating muscle meat.”
“No, you need to eat the whole cow.”
And so you’ll always have these things that take the main point off the main thing.
And if we just keep an eye on the ball of what matters, we will never get off the rails.
The problem is people always try to distinguish themselves from a branding standpoint, which I’m so over.
Like, when I started Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb, I was not trying to create a brand that was going to take over the world.
It was just, “Okay, people will recognize my work.”
But there’s some people that take this branding things seriously.
Oh, I remember somebody, it was Loren Cordain tried to trademark Paleo.
Abel: Oh yeah.
Abel: That was one of my first viral posts.
That was right around the beginning of when I started my podcast, I wrote this whole thing about, “Did you guys know?”
Because Loren Cordain wrote me a nasty thing, and so I put out this blog post.
That’s when Facebook still allowed you to share, and Twitter did as well, and whatever.
And it was the most traffic I had ever gotten, and the most negative comments.
Like a bomb went off of this vitriol trying to burn this guy at the stake, and I’m like, “No, no, no, that’s not what I meant.”
And it was a very educational moment for me, seeing how the internet worked right then.
Because like you, I try to keep things positive.
I try to bring people together, but at the same time, if I see someone trying to take advantage and trademark what everyone’s rallying around, something that can’t be trademarked, it’s like, I’m going to try to take that down, too.
It’s a tough balance though.
Oh, you should have seen the hell they gave me when I challenged Paul Jaminet with the safe starches.
The response I got was, “How dare you? Who are you, you fat ass. You need to shut up.”
And going, “Whoa, whoa, I’m just putting out a question of, can we really call starches safe, even if they’re still going to mess with your blood sugar?”
Okay, I get what you mean by safe, but let’s talk about the how we communicate it.
Like you said, Paleo was flawed, I thought that whole phrase “safe starches” was flawed. Okay, what makes them safe?
Safe from what? Dah, dah, dah.
And it was like, I wanted the conversation, but there was just, the Paleo community came down on Jimmy Moore all of a sudden.
Now, I had a few people, they were like, “Okay, I know what you’re trying to say and thank you for saying it,” but, man, like, vicious.
Abel: Well, it is. And that’s what it became, maybe it started off that way.
I don’t feel like it did, but we should be able to have conversations. That’s the whole point of all this.
How to Use Doomsday for Good
Abel: We should be able to question the truths that are presented to us.
We should be able to question the mainstream agenda.
We should be able to use words and not be censored, which is something I have been unable to do for years now.
And try not thinking of the white polar bear, try not thinking of him, just try not thinking of the white polar bear for an hour.
Now I’m thinking of Coca-Cola because of the white polar bear.
Abel: I know. Which has nothing to do with Coca-Cola, and I think it’s such a great example of how we’re hijacked, and we don’t even know it.
It’s like, you can tell someone to not talk about something or not think about it. And then they think about it even more, and then associate it with a major corporation.
It’s like, this is a dystopia, Jimmy.
And Christmas, that’s the other thing. Not just Coca-Cola, but at Christmas time.
Abel: Corporate Christmas.
What’s a white polar bear have to do with Coca-Cola at Christmas time?
Okay, it just tells you marketing works very well.
Abel: It does work, but so does truth.
So does truth, and that’s why we’re still friends, and that’s why we’re still doing this.
And that’s why we need all those people who are out there listening, and struggling, to keep doing it, too.
Because even if you’re below water right now, we can make our way out of this, we can keep doing it.
Now wait a minute, your hair has gotten longer, mine has gotten shorter since the last time we talked, dude.
Abel: I don’t know how that works.
Well, you know what it is, actually, I’ll be perfectly honest, I don’t think I’ve had long hair since I was like five or six years old, or something like that.
And for the longest time I had to dress up in a suit whether that was for school playing the guy who was doing whatever, and look nice for the corporate people, and look nice for the clients.
And then on the podcast, it was like, I have to look nice and be all good for TV and have the lights on.
Then now, if I’m not even allowed to leave my house, then I don’t have to get a haircut.
I’m not even allowed legally to get a haircut right now.
So it’s like one of those things where, it started off as one thing and now it’s totally something else.
And I’m happy to fight for freedom. I didn’t realize that that’s what we were all going after here, but it’s important to not, I think—especially during times like these—to not let the things that we value, and know are so important for us, be taken away.
Because, Jimmy, as you know in health, it’s an uphill battle.
We’re fighting against forces that are way more powerful and well-financed than we are.
And we need to lean on truth and N=1 experimentation, and sharing that knowledge with each other to get our way through this, I think.
And also pull our shirt up sometimes and just be willing to be who we are and be totally honest about it.
And not have to look or perform in a certain way for other people.
I think I shocked that guy when I did that, that was literally my first Jimmy Rants back from sabbatical.
Abel: Was it really?
It was my very first one back, it was the very beginning of March, and he said that.
And I’m like “Okay, you want me to show my abs, look, there they are. I’m not afraid, this is real.”
I call myself now “The Man of Real,” because I feel like there’s so much fakery out there.
You’ve got to juxtapose that with realness, and people are flocking to that.
And I’ve always been that way. It’s not like it’s something new, but I’ve just codifying it, and say, “Look, guys, let’s be more real.”
I’m trying to challenge people that follow my work, “Stop being fake. If you’re feeling crappy, tell me why you’re feeling crappy. Let’s go there.”
Abel: Yeah. And also I think it’s so important that people realize that you don’t have to look like a specific thing.
Especially that the media tells you you should look or be like, in order to be healthy.
Or in order to be knowledgeable about health, or passionate about health, or anything like that.
It’s tricky, because for me, I met—I’m not going to name who it was, but this is years ago—a weight loss guru who was fat when I met him.
All of his books were one thing, and he was way overweight, and nothing like he was supposed to be.
You’re a totally different animal from someone like that, you know what I mean?
And it’s so important that people realize that.
It’s so funny the kind of people that have judged me over the years because of my weight.
I keep saying, “Okay, if I’m so unhealthy, shouldn’t that have manifested as a disease of some sort?”
And yet, yes, I still have weight on the body, but from a metabolic standpoint, I’m pretty much a stud, and I’m proud of that.
I don’t back away from it. Yes, I’d love to weigh less, but I don’t doubt that this childhood trauma is playing a little bit.
And maybe what’s there, other issues in my life.
When you’ve eaten to the point that you got to 400+ pounds, that doesn’t come without lasting damage.
I’m good at 48 years old weighing what I weigh knowing that my blood markers are in order.
I’m going to outlive most of the guys in my family that, usually, by this point in their lives, they’ve had a heart attack.
Or were on their way to heart disease.
My brother, Kevin… it’s been 12 years ago, now, since my brother Kevin died.
Yeah, so you think about perspective.
And I have such a heart for people that still struggle.
Because I wouldn’t say what I do is struggle, but what I do is live in a body that’s not accepted by society as healthy.
Abel: Yeah, and what is accepted as healthy is not healthy.
Abel: I think it’s so important that people realize that we live in a hostile upside down world.
I wouldn’t have said it so explicitly when we first started this years ago, but I can say that whole-heartedly now.
And we need to stick together. And if you’re struggling, you’re normal.
And if you’re overweight, or you have a little bit of love handles, or a little bit of extra fat anywhere, that’s totally normal, too.
We have all been poisoned, and abused by the powers that be.
We’re in an abusive relationship with our governments, no matter what country you’re in.
And it’s important that we recognize that, and that we be empathetic to each other, and sympathetic.
I love this new version of Abel James. Dude, we got to talk more often, man.
Because the evolution of my brain is right at the same parallel path that yours is.
I’m more outspoken about a lot of these kinds of things than I used to be.
I used to be kind of pent up and now it’s like, I’m free to talk.
And again, I’ve always been really open about how I feel.
But now even more so, and it’s a product of this sabbatical I went on, product of changes in my life, product of getting older.
Let’s just face it, you and I are older than we were, and so age makes you kind of get the mentality a little more than you used to.
Abel: Yeah. Well, so does doomsday.
Yeah. I don’t think you and I ever predicted we’d be in this position.
Abel: At least the fear of doomsday will do that to people, but we can use this for good also.
It’s been the hardest adjustment for many people for anything they’ve ever been through in their lives.
We’re just at the beginning of this, it feels, but there’s, thankfully, there were so many principles that we’ve been just gibbering about for 1600+ to 3000 episodes or whatever.
There were principles and there is a deep history of work.
And maybe what people should do is go back and listen to the stuff from 10 years ago, 15 years ago.
See what perspective you can get from that. Listen to the stuff.
That’s what I’ve been doing actually. Trying to find some stuff from the last recession.
What were people saying back then?
What were people saying in 2006, 2007? When everyone was buying and making all this money in real estate, or whatever.
Because there are many, many parallels.
And you, Jimmy, I think one of the biggest values of someone like you is that you’ve been working with people for a long time.
You have been struggling and succeeding yourself for many years.
And you have so much experience and knowledge to offer people seeing things come and go.
Seeing how movements can be co-opted and driven into the ground sometimes, or totally used for reasons that they shouldn’t be.
So, anyone out there, go look at Jimmy’s work.
Man, you’ve done so much, and actually, I wanted to share this with you, Jimmy, this meant a lot to me.
One of my very best friends from high school, their mother found your book about fasting.
And there was a little piece that she read, and that was the first she’d seen of me I think since my speech in high school, or something like that.
It was many, many years ago.
Oh, that’s right, your little quote in there… That’s right.
Abel: Yeah, it was just a tiny little quote that was in there.
And she saw that, and then she wrote this big long thing, got back in touch, and that just made it all feel worth it.
That one little thing.
Oh, that’s cool.
Abel: When you can connect those worlds, once again, it’s a really special thing.
And, Jimmy, I know, well, you don’t need to hear it, but I know that you do, being in your shoes.
It’s so needed right now, and your work is so important, and we appreciate you, and we love you.
Thank you, Abel, right back at you, man.
Where to Find Jimmy Moore
Abel: Thanks, dude. Well, we’re just about out of time.
Obviously, you know we can talk all day and night about this.
We just started, man, it looks like—oh wow, we’ve been talking an hour.
Abel: Just getting warmed up. But yeah, it’s always great to connect with you, Jimmy.
I very much encourage all you folks out there who haven’t run into his work, please, go check it out.
Jimmy, what’s the best way for people to find you?
Yeah. So livinlavidalowcarb.com is the best way.
We put everything there.
Abel: Right on. Jimmy, thank you so much for coming on, man.
Before You Go…
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For me, “Fat-Burning Man” has become Union Station for all health related topics that I zealously encourage friends and family to listen to.
For example, I now include intermittent fasting and carb-cycling; I’ve lost 15 pounds in the first month without changing my workout regime.
I’m excited to workout not only because I am bulking up, but because I’m also listening to another Fat-Burning Man episode with the ‘Listen to Later’ feature on Stitcher. – Daniel
Daniel, that’s awesome, man. I didn’t even know about that on Stitcher, but for those of you out there, so many of you watch and listen to the show in many different places in many different ways, and I’m always entertained and delighted to hear about how you find the show, what you’re doing when you listen to it, and also how you listen to it.
Because I, believe it or not, really do this for you and with you, and I love getting your questions.
I love going back and forth with you, and it affects me more than you realize. I learn from you, and you keep me sharp, as well, and I really appreciate that.
So being down 15 pounds in the first month—oh my gosh, especially not changing your workouts—that’s amazing.
You know, I’ve gotten quite a few comments lately about how people appreciate that I’ve been branching out with different guests and topics of this show as the years go by.
Because trust me, after doing this for coming up on a decade now, you feel like you run out of things to talk about and people to talk to sometimes.
But man I could do this forever.
Especially when you use health as the beginning of a conversation and the springboard, you can go in any direction you want.
And as long-time listeners know, it’s so much about the mind even more than the body in many, many cases.
And so we can all learn from each other, and we all need each other in these different perspectives and opinions.
And I just read another review on Apple podcast for the Fat-Burning Man Show, from someone who said:
“Carl Swanson—Great podcast! Not sure why as this show was not about a specific subject but between Abel’s questions and Carl’s outlook and life experience I had to listen twice!”
The smartest and most insightful people that you’ll meet with perspective aren’t the ones who have just kind of raced to the top of the world. They’re the ones who have been following their hearts for as long as they’ve been alive.
And when you meet those people, they stand out.
And to me Carl is one of those people, and there are many others who have been on this show.
So I really appreciate when you guys write in and let me know about that. And Carl does, too.
Alright, so if you want to get involved with this community, then you can do so for free. Just go to fatburningman.com/bonus to sign up for our newsletter.
And if you’d like some free downloads and support this show at the same time, we just started up a Patreon channel and a tip jar.
I’ve already signed up a few new coaching clients, some of them international.
So no matter where you are in the world, if you’re looking for coaching, or if you just want a way to directly support this podcast and the books that I write and the other content that we do, and keep the coaching coming. It’s harder than ever, but we’re going to make it through, especially with your help.
Please go to FatBurningMan.com/TipJar. You can also just look up Abel James on Patreon, especially if you’re already on Patreon.
You can join our Coffee Club. We just booted up a Discord channel, so we have a lot of things going and we’re here to help.
We want to have more direct connection with you, because in the age of censorship on these social media platforms, it’s harder for us to get out there and be seen and actually connect with you.
That’s why we’re doing this.
Social media, we all thought was there to connect people. Now, it seems like it’s more there to program people and exploit people and make money.
So we’re trying to adjust and adapt and find new ways of building communities, virtually, and connecting with you virtually, as well.
So also just a quick note, if you’re a small business or you’re looking to transition to bringing your business online, I also am dusting off my consultant hat and helping out some entrepreneurs and small businesses.
You can also just go to the Patreon channel, and see how I might be able to help. I love being in touch with you.
Okay, and finally one more quick announcement. If you’re in the U.S., please visit WildSuperfoods.com.
This is our own family run business, and the supplements we’ve been taking ourselves for years.
I’m very happy to announce that we have a couple of brand new supplements for you.
One is Adrenal Stack, where we have many things that could give you a bit of a boost during these challenging times.
Adrenal Stack is combination of adrenal-supporting adaptogenic herbs and nutrients helps keep stress hormones, like cortisol, in balance and works synergistically to improve energy and relieve stress.
The adrenal-supporting herbs and nutrients in Adrenal Stack include vitamin C, B vitamins, ginseng, ashwagandha, rhodiola, licorice and much more.
You can grab that new formula over at WildSuperfoods.com.
We also have a delicious tasting Collagen Cocoa, which is made with bone broth protein from cows were raised on pasture, as nature intended.
It tastes delicious hot or cold, and we have some recipes coming out soon.
Alyson and I have always wanted to make some sort of cookie mix or brownie mix or that sort of thing with real ingredients and start to feed you folks in a more direct way through recipes and the ingredients for these recipes that we’re really proud of.
And with Collagen Cocoa is a delicious powder that we’re using in some of dessert recipes, so you’ll need less sugar, and will be getting extra protein which will help with satiety.
So, if you’re in America and you’re interested in Collagen Cocoa, Future Greens, Probiotics, Vitamin D Stack, Adrenal Stack, and much, much more, you can grab all of those over at WildSuperfoods.com.
Thank you so much for all your support.
And thanks again for those of you who have already signed up for the tip jar. I see some familiar faces on the Patreon channel.
And I love it more than you know. I’m so grateful and thankful to be able to do this for a living and a calling. My wife is as well. And so is our team.
You can tip our dog a bone on the Patreon channel, too. She appreciates the bones.
Check all that out at FatBurningMan.com/TipJar.
And thanks once again to all of you who have joined and gotten in touch over the years.
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